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Why are levels different between players?

christinewupp

The same level has different numbers of moves for player who otherwise have seemingly identical games.

I would like to find out why. Also it appears that there are other differences. Here is one example.

These two accounts are completely separate, but look identical this morning:

iPad player

Has been playing a little more slowly with the main aim of accumulating gold bars, and took a two week break while I was away on holiday. This account was created just over one month ago:

2. iPhone player

This test account is playing to keep its win streak. Has not yet lost a level since win streak was introduced at level 200. This account was created about three weeks ago, so has been playing without any major breaks.

So far, so similar.

These are the two versions of level 726:

iPad:

iPhone:

(The timed boosters you see are from the weekly contest, which both accounts won.)

Not only does the iPad have fewer moves, the order is also higher and there are fewer colours on the board. This is an easy level for testing. I know how to play this one: Hit the colour bombs against any candy other than red .

The outcomes were practically identical:

passing with 8/9 moves left.

I'm not convinced there is any reasoning behind these differences, except testing of the algorithms, to be honest, but I'll run some more tests and keep you posted about results.

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christinewupp

Here a table for the same two accounts, levels741-755

I did not use any pre level boosters for the levels with no label, but used them for super hard + levels for both accounts.

The iPhone had just been awarded 15 minutes timed UFO from the spinning wheel. I found that for some "easy" levels I would have failed without it:

Level	Label	iPad : moves	iPad outcome	iPhone: moves	iPhone outcome
741		32	easy pass	29	easy pass
742		21	easy pass	20	easy pass
743		23	first attempt fail, second attempt easy pass	19	used (timed) UFO to pass
744		23	easy pass, (on second move)	19	used (timed) UFO to pass
745		22	easy pass	21	used (timed) UFO to pass
746		21	pass	19	used (timed) UFO to pass
747		23	first attempt fail, second attempt easy pass	21	easy pass
748		26	pass	23	easy to pass with (timed) UFO
749	hard	29	pass	26	pass
750		19	first attempt: fail, second attempt: pass	21	used one LP hammer to pass
751	super hard	23	pass	20	used two UFOs to pass
752	hard	25	easy pass	23	had to use 1 hand switch + UFO + 5 extra moves to pass
753	nightmare	25	first attempt fail, second attempt pass	21, more blockers	used UFO +LP hammer + 5 moves to pass
754	super hard	21	used LP hammer to pass	21	used UFO + striped brush + 5 extra moves to pass
755	legendary	20	first attempt fail, second attempt pass with 1 LP hammer	22, more blockers	used hand switch to create double CB combo to pass

The above episode was really tough and wasteful for the win streak hugger. This game is definitely not the same for all players!

I found it quite interesting to note that for the account that had been given the timed UFO gift, the easy levels did in fact require me to use the UFO in order to pass. Can this mean that either the game senses if we have timed boosters, or does the game reward us the timed booster because this test group has harder versions of easy levels coming up, that will require this timed booster? It hardly seems to be a coincidence.

christinewupp

Thank you both for sharing your different versions of level 726! The fact that you both have full inventories throws the theory of it being due to our boosters out of the window.

The observation that we can get different versions for the same account is fascinating. I feel tempted to test it out, but all my devices are used up at the moment. I am reluctant while I have boosters in my other accounts. I still fear I might lose them. Can anyone verify here that if we reload a saved account the boosters really will show up? I don't trust it yet.

Anyway:

I have since played the next episode and have found that there were significant differences between my two accounts, though none of these involved colours:

Levels 726 - 740s:

The move counts are for the top win streak bag, which is +1 move for both accounts.

Level	Label	iPad: moves	outcome	iPhone: moves	outcome
726		21, 4 colours	easy pass	18	easy pass
727		23	easy pass	20	easy pass
728		21, more blockers	pass using 1 striped brush	21	pass
729		18	pass on last move	20, more blockers	pass
730		24	first attempt fail, second attempt easy pass	21	easy pass
731		30	easy pass	26	pass
732		32	easy pass	30	easy pass
733	hard	16	first attempt fail, second attempt easy pass	20, more blockers	pass
734	super hard	19	pass	20, more blockers/higher order	needed to pass:+5 moves, + UFO
735	nightmare	16	pass	21, more blockers	needed to pass: +5 moves, +5 moves, + LP hammer
736	hard	22	pass	21, more blockers	passed using striped brush
737	legendary	19	used UFO and LP to pass	20, more blockers	used two UFOs to pass
738	super hard	23	pass	20	used striped brush to pass
739*	legendary	16	used UFO to pass	18	used hand switch to pass
740	legendary	23	used LP hammer to pass	21	used 2 LP hammers + hand switch to pass

*Level 739: Both accounts started off with a double colour bomb combo.

The comparisons are not perfect, since the iPhone is a win streak hugger not prepared to ever fail a first attempt. The iPad always got the "retain win streak" offer after each fail, so also effectively remained on the identical top win streak bag for each first attempt.

The iPhone account is obviously having a harder version. I wonder if this is in response to my win streak hugging or if it is a coincidence (a different, random, test group). The same was noted for the following episode as well. The iPhone had harder versions and had to use more boosters to pass.

(I am really struggling with creating these tables by the way, so I need to post this before it all disappears again)

I wonder what Wiki makes of this? How can Wiki keep up to date when there are in fact two different versions of the same levels about @__mulliganaceous__ ? Are win streak huggers getting a different version of the game than players prepared to replay a level to pass?

quekkc

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3675409#Comment_3675409

Haha, same account but opened with another browser on the same desktop.

quekkc

My account on a desktop that has not been used for several weeks. I will check on my regular device later on when I am home.

シリンダーノット

My version of level 726:

16 moves, 3 colors, collect 500 red candies

I have a ton of boosters and 31,234 gold bars as of this post.

3 fails, 13 passes (usually with 2-6 moves remaining)

This is very much a momentum-based level. You need to have special candies on the board at all times to cause as many cascades as possible, which will in turn create more special candies. If you lose momentum, you're almost certainly going to fail.

Scooterpie

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3675265#Comment_3675265

@christinewupp, as far as rewards that one is given and rewards that one has, I have only noticed that if I have used lollipops or party boosters then the Booster Wheel seems to land on them. Other boosters that appear on the Booster Wheel, I pay little attention to. As far as that 5 bars of gold you were gifted that is for sure an enticement hoping to get you to use more gold, want more gold.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3675127#Comment_3675127

I agree that the Server (i.e.King) tracks how much gold we have, how much money we have spent etc, and this probably affects which test group they assign players to when they reshuffle. I was trying to make a distinction between the information that the Server stores and what the app is tracking in its day to day running of the programme.

As an example, just yesterday I got this when I logged in:

I had 26,467 gold bars in the account at that point.

The server has a record of how much gold I have, but I'm just not convinced that the app uses that information in any of its decision making processes. That is what I mean by the app not tracking our gold or inventory. I just never see any relation between what I am being given as rewards, and what I already have.

Scooterpie

That is my theory of the motives here. I still don't believe the app tracks what boosters, gold or what anything we have.

@christinewupp what other possible reason can there be for banning players from contests, like the All Stars? I have not gotten this or other contests in years…

christinewupp

Actually, I've been so fascinated by level 726 that I have just stopped to study those two variants. It turns out this level is not as easy to pass as I had thought, and also that whether you pass or fail is entirely decided by the app and not reliant on what moves we make.

This is an old colour collection level, which is reliant on cascades in order to pass. Therefore we are entirely at the whim of the app, which decides what colours will drop and hence what opportunities for cascades are created.

I replayed the level with no boosters, following the suggested moves, which turned out as likely to cause cascades as choosing my own moves. Out of 16 further attempts the outcomes were:

iPad: 7 fails, 9 passes

iPhone: 7 fails, 9 passes

My best guess at the moment is that the app is experimenting with these older levels to try control how many candies of specific colours can be collected. The number of the other candies (purple, blue, green and orange) will of course be very different between the two versions. There was a problem a few months ago with never-ending cascades, which meant that the app had got it wrong at the time, causing many complaints and players getting stuck on levels where colours had been reduced from four to three. It looks like the app has got it right with level 726: Both algorithms lead to the same outcomes, there were no never ending cascades. So the app has the choice of which version to include, depending on what colour is chosen for the next big candy colour collection.

That is my theory of the motives here. I still don't believe the app tracks what boosters, gold or what anything we have. That would be far too complicated and this app is getting simpler and simpler, more "generic" all the time. I think these varying test versions are to test performance and functionality. There is only one big money spinner for this game, and that is going to come up in six months time. The app is testing out performance of new variants for all the levels based on how many of the main four colours can be collected on each level and for each episode. We've seen this kind of testing for the past three years, why should it be different now.