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Levels 51-200 are too hard! / or too easy?

I cannot believe the apparent introduction of pay-to-play levels this early on in Candy Crush.

I am testing these levels out, week after week, and I'm telling you: They are too difficult. And each week it just gets worse! This game is not fun, right from the very beginning.

I've tried everything in my latest game: I have even spent all my 50 gold bars we are given, to test out if maybe the game is kinder to new players who have spent their gold. The theory being that maybe players who hoard their gold get penalised. But this is not so: Spending gold seems to not make any difference.

Some of the early levels have been made impossible to pass and I would like to know why. This week I got to +255 moves offered for level 114, and in another account I now can't even get as far as level 100. This is beyond belief.

I have spent all my gold, I have no friends yet. I have run out of lives twice and am unable to continue to play this game:

Starting boosters do not make a difference and I have not got close enough to use a lollipop either.

Someone at King needs to put a stop to this madness.

Levels 1 to 50 are tutorial levels with help from jelly fish and the in-game hints. They work well and I like them. Blockers and strategies are introduced in a controlled manner and you can easily sail through these first fifty levels.

But then as soon as players hit levels 51, which is where all the events start, hard, super hard and nightmarishly hard levels are taking over and the game turns into a beast like Mr Hyde. Everything players were taught in the first 50 levels goes out of the window: Fish don't help any more, boosters don't make any difference, boards no longer have a solution but require us to replay or buy extra moves.

This game is disjointed: Easy levels are too easy and hard levels are impossible. This same duality is mirrored in episodes: Some episodes are too easy and boring, and some episodes are just a horrible grind.

And all this starts now as early as level 51.

The AI experiment has gone on long enough.

Bring back lucky boards!

Bring back the human touch.

Sack the AI!

(Edit 7th November: I have figured out that King are experimenting with new fish behaviours and fishy algorithms, and in fact one of my two games is significantly easier than the other. )

Welcome! 👋

Comments

PyroFunk

It turns out
@PyroFunk
that not only are the graphics different, but these fish themselves seem to now sometimes clear two blockers at a time. I'm not sure if it is a glitch or a change in function.

Now that is interesting. So now:

Fish has the potential for a 2 depth hit
Combining with a wrapped is 3x3 (I can confirm this for normal fish as well in whatever test groups I have been stuck in)
Combining with a striped seems normal still
Combining with color bomb… if something is different would be hard to tell

They are fine-tuning the game's control over level outcome using the jelly fish. There is no end to the simplification and streamlining of this game, it seems.

Well that sucks to hear, at least it will be nice if level outcome becomes remotely predictable.

christinewupp

I got to level 200 with the new experimental game. These are my lab rat findings:

Level difficulty:

Unmarked levels all produced a pass by following the hints blindly to the last move, as did all the Concert Chaos levels (I am one episode away from finishing the gold chest/third tape).

Hard levels were a mix: Some passed without boosters on a first attempt, others passed on a second attempt, some with and some without starting boosters

Super hard/nightmarishly hard/legendary (only one):

I played without boosters on my first attempt. Hinted moves always lead to a fail, not surprisingly. Playing starting boosters on second attempt often lead to a pass if making the best available moves. There seemed to be a connection again in these levels between making the right moves and getting winning cascades near the end. Some levels required one single lollipop to pass. These were an improvement to the previous helplessness of having to pay for extra moves regardless of what moves we made or what starting boosters we had played. I rather enjoyed these algorithms. They seemed to make some sense again.

Jelly fish:

The new whooshy jelly fish are actually better. They clear the red candies on levels 168 and 182, which is a huge improvement and help to clear those levels. The fish plus wrap combo clears a larger area and I have noticed that single frosting sitting on jelly gets removed in one single hit, one fish removes both the frosting and the jelly. However I am not sure if this is new or if I just notice it more due to the changed graphics. These new fish also go for other fish when needed to complete a level.

christinewupp

It turns out that I am part of an experiment being run by King right this week, and I think this may be the basis of why one game is essentially unplayable. The iPhone game is a hopeless loss and I even lost the episode race at levels 141-155, so that account will get deleted. It's probably part of a control group and players who downloaded this version are just really unlucky.

The iPad game, on the other hand I have now realised is part of a new test group to test out changes in jelly fish algorithms. That game has seen some moves added to a few key levels, and has also got the "whooshing" fish that shine and purposefully dash to their destination. It turns out @PyroFunk that not only are the graphics different, but these fish themselves seem to now sometimes clear two blockers at a time. I'm not sure if it is a glitch or a change in function.

I am now a lab rat.

I have followed the instructions of the game to the last letter in the two episodes from levels 126 to 155: All the unmarked levels I passed following the hints right up to the last move, no matter how silly those moves seemed. The hard + worse levels are a little harder to predict, but I am working on it. What is clear is that the fish are everywhere and controlling outcome. King are fine-tuning those algorithms. They are fine-tuning the game's control over level outcome using the jelly fish. There is no end to the simplification and streamlining of this game, it seems.

christinewupp

Level 131 has been changed on the iPad game: It is the first time ever that I have failed this level:

There has obviously been a change in algorithms. I got an old fashioned lucky board on my second attempt though.

christinewupp

Level 131 has been changed on the iPad game: It is the first time ever that I have failed this level:

There has obviously been a change in algorithms. I got an old fashioned lucky board on my second attempt though.

christinewupp

I've always found the hints very useful when testing out how the algorithms work. One good way to spot a lucky board is if the hinted moves are exactly the same ones that I consider to be the best moves. Recently I have found that the game keeps wanting us to make jelly fish, which is always a wasted move: If the game hints us to match four to create a fish then forget it! You'll never pass those levels.

TerriM

I want to thank you @christinewupp for all your hard work in trying games out and the sound advice you give. It helps heaps!

PyroFunk

19 turns… wow

PyroFunk

Looks like maybe they fixed the number of turns for 141 and only have applied it to some seeds.

Since I am on windows I reinstalled the game and reset it a few times with my account login to see if the level changed turn wise. While nothing changed in the number of turns I did notice the game was easier. So it seems like you get to pass x number of levels before the difficulty spikes.

But ya we are not playing the same game. Did a test awhile ago and the first level, before this newest one, could have different numbers of turns.

Also since I reset I had hints on. Honestly it showed how silly some of the "good" moves are.

Me: Why is it suggesting this move over here? Whatever lets see

Game: and now I clear out a whole munch of crap and give you special candies and fish galore.

Me: Oh just fu… 😁

christinewupp

My level 59 on iphone and iPad both look the same:

But then…. are they? The move count is different!

christinewupp

I finally made it to level 114 and what the hell…..

Spot the difference:

iPhone:

iPad:

So I actually passed this on my second attempt. Are we not all playing the same levels now?

There are no events in this game to give added moves. The win streak has not yet started. These two extra moves are vital and make this level passable all of a sudden. How is this fair?

PyroFunk

Ya, I was shocked at how bad it is right now.

BTW what does your 59 board look like? I swear there were more 5 stacks in the middle on mine, ie a full set of 9 vs what I see in the wiki, ie they ramped it up again.

I mean, I get it is a mobile game but even the worst of them usually do not just shut you down so fast and so hard.

My theory is:

Game is getting older and there is more competition so it generates less money as on would expect.
As such they make the game harder and harder earlier and earlier, while giving less rewards, to try and extract as much or more profit as the game previously did.
Thus people quit earlier and don't spend as much since they don't see the value.
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Comments

PyroFunk

It turns out
@PyroFunk
that not only are the graphics different, but these fish themselves seem to now sometimes clear two blockers at a time. I'm not sure if it is a glitch or a change in function.

Now that is interesting. So now:

Fish has the potential for a 2 depth hit
Combining with a wrapped is 3x3 (I can confirm this for normal fish as well in whatever test groups I have been stuck in)
Combining with a striped seems normal still
Combining with color bomb… if something is different would be hard to tell

They are fine-tuning the game's control over level outcome using the jelly fish. There is no end to the simplification and streamlining of this game, it seems.

Well that sucks to hear, at least it will be nice if level outcome becomes remotely predictable.

christinewupp

I got to level 200 with the new experimental game. These are my lab rat findings:

Level difficulty:

Unmarked levels all produced a pass by following the hints blindly to the last move, as did all the Concert Chaos levels (I am one episode away from finishing the gold chest/third tape).

Hard levels were a mix: Some passed without boosters on a first attempt, others passed on a second attempt, some with and some without starting boosters

Super hard/nightmarishly hard/legendary (only one):

Jelly fish:

christinewupp

I am now a lab rat.

christinewupp

Level 131 has been changed on the iPad game: It is the first time ever that I have failed this level:

There has obviously been a change in algorithms. I got an old fashioned lucky board on my second attempt though.

christinewupp

Level 131 has been changed on the iPad game: It is the first time ever that I have failed this level:

There has obviously been a change in algorithms. I got an old fashioned lucky board on my second attempt though.

christinewupp

TerriM

I want to thank you @christinewupp for all your hard work in trying games out and the sound advice you give. It helps heaps!

PyroFunk

19 turns… wow

PyroFunk

Looks like maybe they fixed the number of turns for 141 and only have applied it to some seeds.

But ya we are not playing the same game. Did a test awhile ago and the first level, before this newest one, could have different numbers of turns.

Also since I reset I had hints on. Honestly it showed how silly some of the "good" moves are.

Me: Why is it suggesting this move over here? Whatever lets see

Game: and now I clear out a whole munch of crap and give you special candies and fish galore.

Me: Oh just fu… 😁

christinewupp

My level 59 on iphone and iPad both look the same:

But then…. are they? The move count is different!

christinewupp

I finally made it to level 114 and what the hell…..

Spot the difference:

iPhone:

iPad:

So I actually passed this on my second attempt. Are we not all playing the same levels now?

There are no events in this game to give added moves. The win streak has not yet started. These two extra moves are vital and make this level passable all of a sudden. How is this fair?

PyroFunk

Ya, I was shocked at how bad it is right now.

BTW what does your 59 board look like? I swear there were more 5 stacks in the middle on mine, ie a full set of 9 vs what I see in the wiki, ie they ramped it up again.

I mean, I get it is a mobile game but even the worst of them usually do not just shut you down so fast and so hard.

My theory is:

Game is getting older and there is more competition so it generates less money as on would expect.
As such they make the game harder and harder earlier and earlier, while giving less rewards, to try and extract as much or more profit as the game previously did.
Thus people quit earlier and don't spend as much since they don't see the value.
Go to 2.

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