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Baffled by licorice drop rules (again...)

christinewupp

I just can't understand the pattern or rules here on this level:

I always seem to be left 4 or 5 short. This appears to be because the licorice doesn't drop every move. Despite what it says in wiki. For example here on this seemingly lucky attempt (look at all those jelly fish!), even Yeti is smiling hopefully right to the very end, but

nothing more drops….

Now that would mean that 17 moves isn't enough, but wait: What happened here then:

I concentrated just on the licorice here, and can in fact get them all, but of course I fail miserably otherwise.

Wiki states:

licorice

Spawn 1 every 1 move.
If there are fewer than 2 liquorice swirls on screen, then the board spawns up to 2 when possible.

This seems to still apply to the first three moves, but not the rest of the level. Can this be? Or is there another rule that states if there are NO licorice left on the board the game will only spawn 1 per move, after a delay so it spawns three every three moves in fact, but if there is one left on the board the game will spawn 2? This is both complicated and unfair.

I finally passed when I spotted this:

On my second move the game was asking me to play a lollipop. So I did. (There's also a chance to make a third colour bomb, so this is altogether my lucky moment)

I just followed the prompts after this and whatever the game did to me, it let me pass, after I played the UFO as well. I can't remember what I did after I played the UFO, but it worked.

I even had one spare here.

Am I missing something again @MannyFae ?

For the record: I always had exactly 17 moves. I didn't play the lucky candy, as I wanted to test the level out. The mixers spawn marmalade.

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__mulliganaceous__

There is an advanced ruling, that on a turn where licorice swirls has been cleared, no new licorice swirls may enter the board. This is not included in the frequency and quantity table of element spawns.

Spinnifix

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/590277/baffled-by-licorice-drop-rules-again

I know this one. Yes, you just have to play at the top so that it falls down. Only it doesn't come immediately.
I know this one with the keys.

MannyFae

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3572174#Comment_3572174

It's possible that my level works differently, but in my game the wiki rules do apply.

Sorry for bothering you further, but did you match the three reds on the right side with 10 moves remaining? It appears so, and there were no candies removed underneath the licorice dispensers, hence the licorice couldn't possibly drop. So I don't see anything breaking the rules on these three screenshots either.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3572092#Comment_3572092

I don't see where you think you messed up @MannyFae . Your response was enlightening: If you don't see the answer, then what chance have I? I've taken another look and none of what Wiki state seems to apply. I have some screenshots here that show three entire moves with no licorice either dropping or being destroyed.

I've seen this a few times on my many attempts, and that is why I posted this thread, as it was baffling me. I get the impression that on this level there is no rule, or multiple rules are being mixed up depending on the whim of the app. At times there seems to be a three move delay before anything drops, at other times it does drop every move if there are less than three on the board. It doesn't make any sense to me.

I'm done with my test now and will spend the rest of the day doing better things.

Charles950

pas équipe veux bien équipe

MannyFae

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3572086#Comment_3572086

I think I messed something up again. I'm actually thankful that you pointed this level to me. I love tinkering with levels, and I rarely get the opportunity to do it now. And who knows what will happen when I reach the rainbow and they introduce that tapping function. So, I meant to thank you @christinewupp

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3571966#Comment_3571966

Thank you for your reply and you are quite right: Save your lives for your own efforts and good luck getting to the rainbow soon.

I'll have another go then to try figure out the rules in my own game as it seems I'm not missing anything obvious. Maybe I'll be able to figure it out.

MannyFae

This is very interesting @christinewupp . First of all, I have not 17 but 22 moves on this level, on both devices. This means that I essentially can't check levels as those passing them as new don't get the same levels as I do.

Re licorice rules as stated in wiki:

Spawn 1 every 1 move.
If there are fewer than 2 liquorice swirls on screen, then the board spawns up to 2 when possible.

Originally I read them as this: If the board has 2 or more licorice swirls already, the dispensers will spawn 1 licorice swirl, provided that there's room for it. If there are fewer than 2, the dispensers spawn 2, again, provided there's enough room for them to drop. If licorice was removed during the previous move, no licorice will drop. This is a universal licorice rule that applies to every level, and the wiki doesn't specifically mention it in level elements descriptions (but does mention elsewhere, can't find it right now).

However, I found that three licorice swirls indeed drop very often. On the board above I matched the three greens at the top right, and three licorice swirls dropped at once. So evidently this is not dependent on anything that happened during previous moves, as I got it on my very first move.

Why three swirls? I guess this happens because the program governing the level just processes the rules consequently: one licorice swirl drops in any case (first rule), and then two more if there's room for two (second rule). This seems to rarely happen at the beginning of the level apparently because it is difficult to find a move early on that will make room for three licorice to drop. This is a conjecture, of course.

So, my interpretation of the rules on this level:

Licorice was removed during the previous move → no licorice drops.
Licorice wasn't removed during the previous move → 1 licorice swirl drops.
If after this, there is only 1 licorice swirl on the board → 2 more licorice swirls drop (meaning, 3 swirls drop within one move).
If the move doesn't create enough room for three licorice swirls to drop, fewer (or none) will drop.

The above rules apply in my version of the game. Also it's totally possible that I am mistaken.

I keep failing the level if I try to manage licorice, so it's probably impractical on this level, and I should just focus on clearing the board as you did instead.

(By the way, I have been wondering where the wiki gets information on level elements from. Is it extracted from the game files themselves? Would you happen to know, @__mulliganaceous__ ?)