So I have 9 gold bars because I inadvertently pressed 'Play On' a couple of times when I hadn't meant too. (I hate when I do that!) In the past, if I reached a difficult level, I could just persist, and eventually a winning board would present itself. That hasn't happened with this level (17857) and I've been playing it for 5 days on three different platforms. The closest I've come to winning is with 12 remaining orders, and a couple of times at 18 and 19. Do people just stop playing? On a side note, King should have a counter of how many attempts you've made. The bonus extra moves give you a clue up to 15 attempts, but I've played at that 255 extra moves level for four days. I guess I should just get a life!😊