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Does the Frog have a future in Candy Crush?

christinewupp

Are there any other fans of Samantha the Frog left in the game now?

It won't surprise some of you that I'm starting this thread.

I stumbled upon this thread and it inspired me to look up some of those frog levels and see how they play.

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/446736/finished-month-2-quest-4-grow-a-frog-to-win-gold-or-even-ufos

It's less than a year since this great competition. I've been taking note of some levels players used for this and found that the frog does still feature in almost all of those levels, which is great, but I remain suspicious. The frog is now introduced very late in the game and most of the early levels can be passed completely bypassing the frog. Evidence to follow.

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MannyFae

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3270276#Comment_3270276

Oh, that's a nice one. Such an interesting mechanic. Hopefully, they will spare this level since those who are not fascinated by interesting mechanics can pass it with boosters anyway.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3270081#Comment_3270081

A lot of players like the frog, sadly many of Samantha's biggest fans have left the game for one reason or another.

On a more positive note, I've finally found the one frog level I'd been looking for thanks to a player asking about it in Support. I remember this one but didn't know if it still existed. It does!

This one is so interesting. I hope it will still be there when you get there @MannyFae . It has some interesting mechanics, and for the sake of the player in Support I tested it out and it does still seem to only work if we use the frog. On the other hand I wonder how many players use hand switches to make double colour bombs to pass this intelligent frog level.

leecee29

I like the frog ( never knew it had the name Samantha) and I use it when its advantageous.

MannyFae

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3270001#Comment_3270001

Understood. I overreacted to that phrase, sorry about that.

Agree about 8329 in that the luck level is rather high on that level, and it has not even been made Legendary despite being a typical 3 color level with highly controllable outcomes. I guess it's good that it can be passed following suggested moves, which is much easier to explain than complex mechanics.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3269830#Comment_3269830

Of course I wouldn't suggest you turn on hints @MannyFae ! Nor would I suggest this to anyone with enough experience and understanding of the algorithms. Many of us know instinctively what the best move is. I do think though that for new players who get stuck on levels the hints can be really helpful to point them into the direction of what the game wants them to do. Anyone stuck on an early level for days without success must be missing the chances the game throws at them. If they followed the hints they would spot a lucky board a lot sooner and see when the game is trying to help. In the early levels the game always points out chances to make special candies and combos. In the later games the hints become pointless and sometimes misleading. Level 8329 was an exception in that the hints helped to pass the level and I think it is because it's a frog level. King don't want players to get stuck on frog levels. So they help them to pass those. The levels King want players to get stuck on are the ones they can control the algorithms of the last few moves, especially those they can leave us just one jelly short. It's exactly as you say: the frog gets in the way of that.

MannyFae

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3269802#Comment_3269802

I came to the same conclusion regarding the future of the frog, and largely for the same reason: the frog mechanic is too complex for the level algorithm to account for. It is possible to beat the endgame algorithm and do something that the algorithm doesn't expect using the frog, and win. There are still levels in the 9,000 range and above that allow that, and I suspect they will be eventually removed. Another reason why they are removing the frog is that there are still levels where using the frog is essential, and they require basic understanding of how to handle the frog. Boosters cannot replace that understanding, and it's clear that King won't tolerate it any more. Every level should be winnable by using enough boosters/gold. That's where the game is headed.

This particular level can be won with or without the frog, and I've done it both ways. The way without the frog is safer because you don't risk moving the frog just when the key should drop, which could mess up the key dropping cycle. Using the frog feels more satisfying, though.

As for turning off hints at my peril, I'm not so sure about it, to be honest. I am doing okay even though I don't follow the suggested moves. I tried using the first move suggested by the game, etc. at one time, but it didn't do any good for me. I consider following suggested moves a matter of playing style, not an essential part of the game.

christinewupp

Anyone who still thinks there is a future for Sam the frog in Candy Crush is mistaken. And I think I understand now why this is. The frog is too complicated for the computers that keep changing the level algorithms to compute. The changes that King have made recently that decide the outcome of each level (and King for some reason think that they MUST determine the outcome of each level, rather than leaving it up to players to use some skill, planning or thought).

Here is an example of a level that does still have a frog sitting there as a kind of ornament. This is a level players have recently got stuck on when moves were reduced to 22. @MannyFae you have advised on this level

previously. I was checking out why there had not been any questions about this or many other levels lately.

This is the starting board:

I noted that this level is now rated "nightmarishly hard", so it's not impossible. Why? I tried to pass it using the frog as intended by the original design but there is no way I could get all the keys to drop in the moves allocated. The dragons were still locked up after 22 moves, so no point using the frog to get those toffee swirls.

Then I tried to see what happens if I follow exactly the moves suggested by the game. I played every single move the game told me to make and with each attempt got closer and closer to passing. Here is an example of how the game was teasing me to pay for the extra moves:

On my seventh attempt I passed the level. I got this combo:

And then got this winning combo which helped me pass:

Poor Samantha has nothing to do. You pass this one by doing what King tell you to do. Turn off hints at your peril, folks.

I am pretty sure that the reason King have made these level not use the frog any more is so that they can change the algorithms from one week to another like they do, in order to control if a level is pay-to-pass or if a level is easy to pass. The frog for them just gets in the way of that.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3263803#Comment_3263803

Hello @T0rr1e now this really surprises me! I had thought King had done away with frog orders! I've scrolled back and I do have the same level as well. Have they forgotten this one? Strange… but nice!

T0rr1e

I still get frog levels in the 8000's mostly you can pass the levels without using the frog but sometimes you still have to use her.

As you can see, she is part of the order. 😀Happy Crushing.

Javikas

It is worth highlighting the elimination of the voice that said, FROGTASTIC

It's a shame everything that made the game fun is disappearing, the frog is a very beloved character and little recognized by King,

The voices of the game have been almost removed Everything is full of absurdly difficult levels to use power ups

The design has declined

There is no story

There is no barity

It's a shame since it's a fantastic game.

I hope good decisions are made.

All the best🍫🍬🍭

amingy

I💚 the frog🐸

MannyFae

The episode containing levels 15261-15275 has four (!) frog levels. One is very easy, the other requires combining the frog use with other techniques, and you have to decide what to use on each move. My favorite frog level type. The other two are Legendary and Nightmarishly hard, and Samantha had to work hard on each of them. In addition, two of those four levels use bonbon blitzes spawned by a mixer to feed the frog. Fun!

In earlier episodes, there is a noteworthy frog level that is completely strategic and requires you to understand how it works early on to win it on the first try. Probably a streak killer. Nothing beats the double super color bomb combo, of course, but this one was meant to be played without it, and it's actually playable that way.

Samantha was clearly loved by the level designers when they created those levels, and they seem to have remained unchanged since.

Nobody1

A few more frog levels that I tracked up through 18035 (I think I missed a few between 17800 and 17900):
17897: The frog was so nice here that I didn't bother with creating a double color bomb. A very easy level.
17909: Another very easy frog level.
17927: A pretty good frog level, but easy with a double color bomb.
17996: Fun frog level.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3258888#Comment_3258888

Thanks I knew I'd seen some somewhere in the 17,000s, so that is really helpful. I'll check them out. Sadly I haven't seen any in the new releases for weeks now.

Nobody1

Frog (and chocolate) update from 17706 to 17800:

17729: Decent frog level.

17762: My double super color bomb made the frog meaningless.

17770: A chocolate level - 9 short of enough, so lucky candy wasn't enough to handle it. This one was really a decent chocolate level. I started with a double super color bomb available. The chocolates were dark and a few along the bottom had 3 layers, so it's possible I might have been able to explode the double super color bomb and survive, but I wasn't willing to risk it, so I used one of them against a stripe and mostly wasted them, which made the level pretty tough (didn't want to lose my win streak!). I made some really good moves, and also forced a color bomb that I could use against a stripe with a couple of free switches, and I still needed a UFO plus watching ads for extra moves and a second UFO in order to get through the level.

17798: Very nice but easy frog level; I wasn't given 2 color bombs at the beginning so I had to solve it normally.

Also there was one more frog level somewhere a few levels after this, but I'm afraid I forgot to record it. So there's another one in here somewhere. It was also nice.

Nobody1

Frog update: Starting after level 17597, I have only seen 3 frog levels up through 17705:

17618: The frog would have been quite good without double color bomb, and was still quite useful even with one.

17693: The frog was not needed on this level even without double color bombs, but it did make it easier.

17702: After using double super color bomb, the level was ridiculously easy, but the frog is what made it easy.

king4096

مرحبا بالجميع

Nobody1

I guess that when I reach the end, I plan to do what many people do - just stay at the top of the map. So I will probably play the new 45 levels each week. I may try playing the star tournament for things for a while to see if it's worth doing - it sounds like you're now saying you can see where it can sometimes work out, so I may try. But it is my intention to slow down a lot with this game. I am hoping my time in Candy Crush will be dramatically lower each week once I get there - maybe playing one day per week instead of every day. 😀

I will try to mention here each frog level I see as I go. Perhaps I can give a rating to each one as to how worthwhile/useful the frog is on each one, since some of the frog levels are much better than others.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3255560#Comment_3255560

That's terrible @Nobody1 . And so close to a win streak of a 1000!

Are you really going to stop when you reach the end?

Please do watch out for more frog levels from now on. At some point I think they stopped doing them, I think it may be around level 18,000.

Nobody1

I guess this is only peripherally related, but you were talking about the game being oriented more towards superchargers and double color bomb matches, and I thought I'd mention that I just lost my win streak (987) on level 17609, which is one with marmalade and blockers such that since I had too many boosters enabled when I entered, I got an immediate Oops with no moves available, so I never had a chance to move - instant death. So they are still making some levels like that.

17609 proved to be a really easy level, as long as you don't have any boosters enabled. I easily won it with no boosters on my second try.

Frustrating, though, because now I have to finish this episode race with no superchargers.

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MannyFae

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3270276#Comment_3270276

Oh, that's a nice one. Such an interesting mechanic. Hopefully, they will spare this level since those who are not fascinated by interesting mechanics can pass it with boosters anyway.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3270081#Comment_3270081

A lot of players like the frog, sadly many of Samantha's biggest fans have left the game for one reason or another.

On a more positive note, I've finally found the one frog level I'd been looking for thanks to a player asking about it in Support. I remember this one but didn't know if it still existed. It does!

leecee29

I like the frog ( never knew it had the name Samantha) and I use it when its advantageous.

MannyFae

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3270001#Comment_3270001

Understood. I overreacted to that phrase, sorry about that.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3269830#Comment_3269830

MannyFae

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3269802#Comment_3269802

christinewupp

previously. I was checking out why there had not been any questions about this or many other levels lately.

This is the starting board:

On my seventh attempt I passed the level. I got this combo:

And then got this winning combo which helped me pass:

Poor Samantha has nothing to do. You pass this one by doing what King tell you to do. Turn off hints at your peril, folks.

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3263803#Comment_3263803

T0rr1e

I still get frog levels in the 8000's mostly you can pass the levels without using the frog but sometimes you still have to use her.

As you can see, she is part of the order. 😀Happy Crushing.

Javikas

It is worth highlighting the elimination of the voice that said, FROGTASTIC

It's a shame everything that made the game fun is disappearing, the frog is a very beloved character and little recognized by King,

The voices of the game have been almost removed Everything is full of absurdly difficult levels to use power ups

The design has declined

There is no story

There is no barity

It's a shame since it's a fantastic game.

I hope good decisions are made.

All the best🍫🍬🍭

amingy

I💚 the frog🐸

MannyFae

Samantha was clearly loved by the level designers when they created those levels, and they seem to have remained unchanged since.

Nobody1

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3258888#Comment_3258888

Thanks I knew I'd seen some somewhere in the 17,000s, so that is really helpful. I'll check them out. Sadly I haven't seen any in the new releases for weeks now.

Nobody1

Frog (and chocolate) update from 17706 to 17800:

17729: Decent frog level.

17762: My double super color bomb made the frog meaningless.

17798: Very nice but easy frog level; I wasn't given 2 color bombs at the beginning so I had to solve it normally.

Also there was one more frog level somewhere a few levels after this, but I'm afraid I forgot to record it. So there's another one in here somewhere. It was also nice.

Nobody1

Frog update: Starting after level 17597, I have only seen 3 frog levels up through 17705:

17618: The frog would have been quite good without double color bomb, and was still quite useful even with one.

17693: The frog was not needed on this level even without double color bombs, but it did make it easier.

17702: After using double super color bomb, the level was ridiculously easy, but the frog is what made it easy.

king4096

مرحبا بالجميع

Nobody1

christinewupp

https://community.king.com/en/candy-crush-saga/discussion/comment/3255560#Comment_3255560

That's terrible @Nobody1 . And so close to a win streak of a 1000!

Are you really going to stop when you reach the end?

Please do watch out for more frog levels from now on. At some point I think they stopped doing them, I think it may be around level 18,000.

Nobody1

17609 proved to be a really easy level, as long as you don't have any boosters enabled. I easily won it with no boosters on my second try.

Frustrating, though, because now I have to finish this episode race with no superchargers.

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