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  • christinewupp
    christinewupp Posts: 9,789

    Your own score still shows up even if you play offline, but you cannot see the scores of others. In the last live tournament I played offline play did not give me the 30x multiplier, so it's not a very useful strategy, but I cannot test this out if this is true in the current tournament.

    I think I have read in the rules that you are not allowed to play simultaneously on more than one device. So yes, you can play three different devices, but only one at a time, which does not convey an advantage. If you see a player gaining impossible scores then they are using illegal methods and hopefully the systems will spot it and eliminate them.

  • pmin
    pmin Posts: 142
    edited October 16

    Funny how everybody is innocent.... But to answer your question, if you play offline it will give you the 30x bonus when you get back online just so long as they were new levels.

  • K910
    K910 Posts: 25

    Level 3

    That brings up an interesting point. I know It's over BUT for future reference, if they give you the 30x bonus when you get back online , do they do it retroactively? CUZ that would explain a huge jump in score , like if somebody flips back N forth to check scores, N they get the 30x added for all they've played since last time they came online.

    I didn't know what would be the advantage of playing offline , (like I said I didn't even know that was possible) especially if everyone can see UR score. 🤔

    Stranger things , right ?

    On another note I passed level 5000 tonight! WooHoo!

    STAY SAFE 🕉️

  • K910
    K910 Posts: 25

    Level 3

    edited October 16

    Not positive , BUT I think that's how I got bumped out of 1st place in the 2ed finals N took 2ed place instead. Even more peculiar to me , the player stopped logging any more score 1hr13min before that session ended! Pretty risky , CUZ , 1) I was breathing down their back , N , 2) what if they DO give you 30x retro when you come back in to the game from playing offline? That player may've been screwed! It was as if they KNEW they were ok , N passing thru to 3rd finals. That didn't set right with me. They could've been watching , BUT , I don't think I'd have taken that chance , CUZ I got relatively close. ~ ~OH WELL~

    STAY SAFE 🕉️

  • pmin
    pmin Posts: 142

    30x retroactively is part of the offline gameplay, which is allowed in the rules. It can be a strategy to just go play offline if you want someone in first to possibly ease up, then you log back in and jump them. I think it's a tad shady, it's a gray area but ultimately seems allowed overall. Just make sure they are scoring about the same hourly rate during that time….If their scoring tripled, something might be afoot.

  • christinewupp
    christinewupp Posts: 9,789

    I am really quite surprised about this @pmin . I thought I had tested this out a few months ago during another leaderboard competition and at the time found that the 30x multiplier did not get added retrospectively, but reading your info I now think I may have been mistaken. I agree that would create problems, both for the other players and even for King to spot cheaters as they cannot keep track of us while playing offline (That whole Big Brother thing only works while we are playing online, of course). I will definitely check this one out during the next leaderboard tournament as I think we need to know what is possible and legitimate and what is not prior to the next Big One.

  • pmin
    pmin Posts: 142

    If you are an opposing player, there are a couple of ways to see if they are in fact gaining points offline then uploading them to 'sneak up' OR.… if they are using a rulebreaking method to gain excessive millions of points in one go from one level.

    How to see if they're just playing normally offline:

    1. Track their scoring rate mathematically when the score is updating regularly to see if it's vastly different from the periods where they appear to go offline. For example if they score 150k points an hour nonstop and then their score pauses for 2 hours, but when they come back they have 300k more total points....that is still their 150k average. Which is not against the rules. They could be playing on a plane or something. But yes it's also sometimes a tactic to get the people in the lead to ease up, think they're safe and upload the score at the end to jump them. But if during those 2 hours they come back up 1 million extra points, that means suddenly their average of play increased to 500k an hour, obviously then something is amiss and they were actually online (explained a tad more below)
    2. If you aren't great at math, screenshot their level 'when they're apparently offline' and when they're back. Something is amiss it only changed a single level in an hour or two. If it changed a normal 140 levels or whatever, they were just offline. Even if they're farming the same old level over and over for 1/30th the points (so no new levels in that scenario), their score should still be updating and the scoring rate should be roughly the same, not 400% higher

    If you're worried about offline players, play your best the entire time. The rules state offline play is allowed. Even with a several million point lead I played my best until the end, the final final I played 41/42 hours since (I spent some time messaging King about some stuff they're handling)

    No matter how many boosters you use, you can only earn so many points an hour. So if you're normally a better player the whole time, it doesn't matter if someone else plays offline, because they won't ultimately gain an advantage.

    So when the scoring average changes drastically:

    Ben that won Allstars pointed out that you don't want to blast beyond every level super fast since some give you more points can others. So to get the highest scoring you have to play smart. You do have to play though and cannot excessively try to extend a new level, as that breaks 4 rules.

    1. A player must play with the "normal flow of a game and act in a way that affects another player's ability to compete fairly when engaging in real time exchanges" (That's in the main Terms & Conditions of the site, refers to this exact type of situation).

    2. 5.2 you get a bonus for new/uncompleted levels (created to combat farming a single easy level, usually earlier ones. But some players planned an elaborate method to get around this)

    3. Rule 4.6.1 says no taking advantage of exploits, or something that King didn't reasonably intend to be how you play, even if you didn't alter software/hardware to do so. (Just play normally)

    4. Rule 4.6.8 says you have to play fair.

    Basically there is a way to break rule 5.2 that requires many steps, and you can get the bonus on the easiest farming level for hours, it'll make a bad player unbeatable. Other honest players can't compete. King has updated their system a good amount to combat it, but people will always look for new ways to break rules.

    **Always make sure rules are being broken before making a claim against another player, otherwise it could be considered defamatory.

    There are also people that try to log offline and hack the game of course, but the autocheat system usually detects that right away.

    So get undeniable proof to help King and make sure it's proof, it's very easy for them to check if a player made a million points at one moment if you give them the exact time or level, or tracked rates and times. Just saying they played offline or scored too much is not enough.

    King is not trying to steal $300k in prizes when they make $8 million daily. And people compete enough when incentivized that they don't need to plant bots to encourage in app purchases or extra playing. It's simply that some people are dishonest. Happens in lots of games, sports and life.

    Disclaimer: I'm not defaming anyone, several of these players have admitted in writing to doing this. King continues to try to handle new situations to the best of their ability. I am allowed to share my factual experience that I have unaltered digitally signed proof of and am a very honest player. Also it is very possible that these players used a new unknown method to execute this exploit succesfully and get around King's detection system that they're constantly trying to improve. Or that simply some players chose not to do the method until the final final round. So not all players should automatically assume they got knocked out in earlier rounds by dishonest play.

  • pmin
    pmin Posts: 142

    I'm positive the 30x is added retrospectively. I checked since I wanted to be sure I'd get the points in case I was actually disconnected for a second. If you just play hard the entire time it's not an issue though since their scoring rate should ultimately be the same. Maybe a little icon next to an offline player would help to caution competitors.

  • christinewupp
    christinewupp Posts: 9,789

    Hi @pmin Did you delete your most recent post or was it removed by the community overseers? I had just read it and was going to mark it as "helpful" but got the little message in the corner of "post not found" or something to that extent. For the record I did find it helpful, thank you for your honest explanations, but the post has now disappeared.

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